Tony doing that face he does and just hugging the hell out of him
I mentioned that moment myself, but I just have to quote you back again here, because his face.
this time she was here fighting with him, and she was with him at the end, and I was just, so glad.
Yeah. The moment where they fight back to back! And then his actual last words? An almost inaudible "hey Pep"...
Thank you for your paragraph on Thor! I liked reading your perspective and it really gave me food for thought, because Thor's overall story has never been a focus for me and like you, I was initially a bit baffled by what they did here. But you gave me the impulse to really think about it some more. A couple of moments were comic relief and I'm not the happiest with that, but you are very right that a lot of them weren't, that he was still accepted like a self-evident part of the group and a hero, and that it was made abundantly clear how much he was struggling. And that the team gives him the space for it - not without commentary but still with patience. And I think he's the one who really, completely, lost his whole inner foundation, and that's why he's struggling so much. He doesn't even know who he is or who he's allowed to be, that's at the core of his conversation with Frigga (who you are supposed to be vs. being who you are, and being a failure making him just like everybody else, something Rocket already said earlier). He thought he was supposed to be a leader, a king, exceptional, someone to save his people, the strongest Avenger. And he failed, repeatedly, at all of this (lost Asgard, lost Loki, lost to Thanos, and then even the last shred of hope at the beginning of the movie is extinguished) and he has no idea how to deal with that or how to even see himself or pick a path for himself. That's why he's in no headspace for wielding the gauntlet, something Tony clearly recognizes and tells him, and he doesn't have to be. He doesn't have to be the leader and take on that task, even though he's the God of Thunder. (And now I'm wondering if Cap being able to wield the hammer was also for Thor, as a sign that he doesn't have to carry every responsibility alone? That he can give the leadership of Asgard to Valkyrie? Depending on where he is on his journey, you could interpret his exchange with Quill at the end as still finding his exact way with the leader thing, or with him knowing exactly what he doesn't want and teasing Quill to hell and back. Both works.)
I was a little sad that Bucky didn't get to talk to Steve on screen [...] always so much in the subtext
Well, they did have that small but crucial exchange before Steve goes back to the past - Bucky clearly knows what Steve is about to do (telling Steve he'll miss him, his sadness and complete non-suprise), so I've been wondering if Steve talked to him about it and they didn't give us that scene, or if he just knows him so well. Honestly, subtext alright, there's so much to read into this little scene if you want to (Steve's "it'll be alright, Buck" alone!). And while I wish they'd ended it on Old Steve's Face instead of going full circle with the damn dance, the space is still wide open for filling out all the details of Steve's trip and life, in every direction.
Every character felt like themselves, they felt real, even when we only caught glimpses of them. [...] Every scene felt important, or fun, or both.
All of this.
He wanted a suit of armour around the world, and it was his heart all along.
OMG. <3 <3 <3 Kudos for that sentence. The heart symbolism with him has always been off the charts, on so so many levels. (For just one tiny example, I saw this point made on tumblr yesterday.)
So, thanks again for commenting on my post and giving me the chance to find yours that way, which was a pleasure to read!
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Date: 2019-04-28 09:07 am (UTC)I mentioned that moment myself, but I just have to quote you back again here, because his face.
this time she was here fighting with him, and she was with him at the end, and I was just, so glad.
Yeah. The moment where they fight back to back! And then his actual last words? An almost inaudible "hey Pep"...
Thank you for your paragraph on Thor! I liked reading your perspective and it really gave me food for thought, because Thor's overall story has never been a focus for me and like you, I was initially a bit baffled by what they did here. But you gave me the impulse to really think about it some more. A couple of moments were comic relief and I'm not the happiest with that, but you are very right that a lot of them weren't, that he was still accepted like a self-evident part of the group and a hero, and that it was made abundantly clear how much he was struggling. And that the team gives him the space for it - not without commentary but still with patience.
And I think he's the one who really, completely, lost his whole inner foundation, and that's why he's struggling so much. He doesn't even know who he is or who he's allowed to be, that's at the core of his conversation with Frigga (who you are supposed to be vs. being who you are, and being a failure making him just like everybody else, something Rocket already said earlier). He thought he was supposed to be a leader, a king, exceptional, someone to save his people, the strongest Avenger. And he failed, repeatedly, at all of this (lost Asgard, lost Loki, lost to Thanos, and then even the last shred of hope at the beginning of the movie is extinguished) and he has no idea how to deal with that or how to even see himself or pick a path for himself. That's why he's in no headspace for wielding the gauntlet, something Tony clearly recognizes and tells him, and he doesn't have to be. He doesn't have to be the leader and take on that task, even though he's the God of Thunder. (And now I'm wondering if Cap being able to wield the hammer was also for Thor, as a sign that he doesn't have to carry every responsibility alone? That he can give the leadership of Asgard to Valkyrie? Depending on where he is on his journey, you could interpret his exchange with Quill at the end as still finding his exact way with the leader thing, or with him knowing exactly what he doesn't want and teasing Quill to hell and back. Both works.)
I was a little sad that Bucky didn't get to talk to Steve on screen [...] always so much in the subtext
Well, they did have that small but crucial exchange before Steve goes back to the past - Bucky clearly knows what Steve is about to do (telling Steve he'll miss him, his sadness and complete non-suprise), so I've been wondering if Steve talked to him about it and they didn't give us that scene, or if he just knows him so well. Honestly, subtext alright, there's so much to read into this little scene if you want to (Steve's "it'll be alright, Buck" alone!). And while I wish they'd ended it on Old Steve's Face instead of going full circle with the damn dance, the space is still wide open for filling out all the details of Steve's trip and life, in every direction.
Every character felt like themselves, they felt real, even when we only caught glimpses of them. [...] Every scene felt important, or fun, or both.
All of this.
He wanted a suit of armour around the world, and it was his heart all along.
OMG. <3 <3 <3 Kudos for that sentence. The heart symbolism with him has always been off the charts, on so so many levels. (For just one tiny example, I saw this point made on tumblr yesterday.)
So, thanks again for commenting on my post and giving me the chance to find yours that way, which was a pleasure to read!